I am basically surprised at the illogical approach of average joe when it comes to rationality in belief and religion. To believe in something is everybody's right, and am not against it but the point here is to be as curious in asking religious questions, as one would be in asking questions in a medical school.
Lets talk about the story of Adam and Eve in a little detail. I will not try to delve in to the anatomical mystery of how Eve was created from Adam's bones, since even the imagination makes it seem funny. The interesting point however here is not about who ate apple, and who was the culprit, BUT in fact the real questions arise after Adam and Eve supposedly came down to earth. Islam, Christianity, Judaism and all monotheistic religions have taught us that Adam and Eve had three kids Cain, Abel and Seth. Most Muslim students learn the story of 'Habeel and Kabeel' in their early school days, and how one killed the other. But nothing is mentioned about what happened later? And am surprised at the silence of teachers as well as students in figuring out the confusion. The unanswered questions are:
1. Adam and Eve DID NOT have any daughters, so who did their sons married to for propagation of the human species?
2. If there were any daughters of Adam and Eve, of which there is no historic mention; then too the moral question arises, Was in-marriage allowed between brothers and sisters as incest for the species propagation?
3. Why is there a total ethical vaccum in this story ranging from incest to woman being born 'bended' and also being the one to eat the fruit from forbidden tree of knowledge?
This seems simply like the beginning of a mythical and patriarchal story, with no moral or factual reasoning. No offense to anyone with this writing :)
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exactly!!! :)
ReplyDeleteoh oh oh n btw who made their dresses in heaven? I mean what fabric? lol that din work here on earth... :P must not be of good quality :P
ReplyDeleteYeah... and talking cows teaching Adam how to till land! The more one reads, the more he laughs at the absurdity of it all...
ReplyDeletein the same time period other religions were havin their own angels n heavenly kingdoms,(e.g hinduism).the sons ur talkin abt mite have married any 1 of their daughters by going to the far lands :P,,,,how abt that?
ReplyDeleteLeaves, were their dress. :P
ReplyDeleteAnd they came to realize about their nakedness only after eating the forbidden fruit.
And dont know about cows being a teacher,lol..Supposedly God taught Adam all the stuff before throwing him on earth.
be true to urself amir and tell me you find this story very genuine... its certainly unlike or unbecoming of a true God - if there is!
ReplyDeleteI was trying to get along with you guys with a lighter-tone but anyway here is some things popping up in my mind on a serious-tone.
ReplyDeleteI used the evening and morning thing as a metaphor. It was more like twins of one pregnancy were married to twins of following pregnancy. And rest of the story is pretty straightforward for me atleast.
Now the real thing that i want to talk about is your S.O.P to disprove God.
I appologise in advance. Thing is that you are driving in the reverse mode. You cannot prove or disprove God by talking about a religion, its teachings or its history. We can talk for a thousand years about this portion of the real topic but we wont reach anywhere except calling each other's talk as speculative drivel.
Now here is the proper procedure.
1. You decide whether a god exists or not. If you think that a god doesnt exist then you are a naturalist and then you can chose to be an agonostic or better an athiest and you stay at this stage otherwise you move to following stage.
2.If you come to believe that a god indeed exists then u are a creationist and you can either chose to be a deist and stay at this stage or move to following stage.
3.If you come to believe that god wants you to follow his religion then you can chose to be an theist...and then you can embark yourself on the search of true religion.
Though there are some other options available as well in above ladder but i have simplified the thing.
Now, it is cent percent true that for a naturalist every super-natural act or thing will be a joke. So,if i will be trying to convince him that their is a day of judgment and there is a heaven and hell, and eve and adam came from heaven wearing leaves--I will have to be a stupid and so will be the naturalist if he argues with me as we both will be defying the logical truth that he doesnt believe in a god in first place!
So, a better thing to discuss with him would be the issue of creationism versus naturalism..if he comes to believe in creationism, then there is a logic to talk about all this stuff.
So buddy, i am getting confused about you--You are dancing all over the place. :P
And with my little knowledge of psychology, i can say it with quite surity that you are still not a proper athiest, otherwise you would not have posted this topic in first place...And if you think that you have searched the truth and you believe that truth, re-evaluate your your subconscious and your conscious beliefs as currently you do not believe in any belief--You are on cross-roads of atheism and deism.
And may be i am all wrong cuz of your super-genius ability to shield your subconscious and present alternate realty. Love you. :P
Missed one point--You disprove or prove God's existence through physics and metaphysics, GENERALLY, and not the religion. Those who use biology for this purpose, are dumb.
ReplyDeletehehehe.... dude... here's the thing!!
ReplyDeleteI am an atheist...an ATHEIST by logic... no belief comes in to play when talking logic. About posting of this story, I post stories that are scientifically absurd from all religions, and believe me, I have some BIGTIME grudge against creationists. I can't start talking physics and metaphysics in first place when 99% of the people I have interacted in my life are dumb-to-the-core to believe in those stories and miracles. You are first person who I think is talking much more logic then others... but still I have yet to hear an arguement that I did not hear before...
We should talk sometime in detail. I have some very very interesting scientific stuff to talk about with you.
And coming back again to the point of this story, I have already posted more blasphemous stuff on my blog just again for same reason... 99% of the people who discuss and talk derive their objectivity of life through these stories.
Peace!
lol.okay.I get ur point.
ReplyDeleteSomeone give amir some books of richard dawkins. Talking about the fallacy of God through only physics and metaphysics?! When biology alone can do the job. Plus what is actually metaphysics... lol. I read theoretical physics but metaphysics, philosophy and psychology sort of fall in to the same arm chair wisdom-ology that most creationists and theists resort too. I need FACTS... HARD FACTS!
ReplyDeleteThe human genome did NOT come from a single couple and THAT IS A FACT!!